RALPH GIBSON



DAVID HOWARD INTERVIEWS RALPH GIBSON                                                        
      

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RALPH GIBSON:    BORN 1939     BEGAN PHOTOGRAPHY   1956

QUESTION #1 DH: How do you feel photography, as an art form, has changed your life?
ANSWER RG: Well, it had considerable impact on the nature of how I perceive reality and myself, because through the years there have been certain constants in my work -- things that I have come to see and trust.
    I have arrived at the place where things I trust most in my life are what I see reflected in my work. the rest of the time, I’m a highly erratic fellow, but the photographs probably say pretty much what I mean.
 

QUESTION #2 DH: How do you feel, in general terms, the aesthetics of photography has changed in your experience of photography?
ANSWER RG: Well, in the first twenty years of my work, I watched photography go through any number of definitions. It’s gotten to the point where aesthetics center around the idea of expanding the definition of the medium, as opposed to it being considered a firm tradition.
    The medium is now recognized as an art form! It is now possible to do a number of different kinds of things, which haven’t been previously considered or regarded. I think we owe a lot of this awareness to the fact that things like “Life” magazine and television prepared our culture to be sophisticated -- visually. Now people are prepared to consider a lot more. At one time it was landscape, then it moved into the documentary image, and then it moved into photo-journalism, and then it moved into whatever you choose to do.
 

QUESTION #3 DH: Do you feel the motivations of young photographers today differs from your original motivations when you began working with photography?
ANSWER RG: Yes I do. The problem is somewhat of a double edge sword, because now the camera, materials, and the audience are all very aware and responsive. As a result, I see many young photographers in their early twenties who demand a great deal of attention, and consider their own work in very high regard. Some of them are not willing to take the time perhaps others have found it necessary to take, to develop their work. I mean, now we have a sophisticated media culture, that people want to pass through very quickly, and I think most young photographers have the tendency to go off half-cocked. Minor White said, quite vividly, that it takes fifteen years to become a good photographer: but, it takes fifteen years to become a good plumber, or a good dentist, or a good lawyer or carpenter!


QUESTION #4 DH: Do you think fine art photography has become “Big Business?”
ANSWER RG: I do not think photography has or will ever become “Big Business,” if you compare it with the art world in general. People might feel some kind of antipathy, I don’t know why, that a photographer can make a living from the sale of his prints, such as i do. However, it’s never going to be the same kind of living as a major painter, or major sculptor, or major musician, or major dancer is going to make, because regardless of how valuable those photographs are going to become, for the most part, they are not as valuable as a third-rate painting.



QUESTION #5 DH: How do the galleries for photography today compare with the photographic galleries when you first began to exhibit?
ANSWER RG: For one thing, the galleries of today are showing photographs because it is a creative thing for the galleries to do. The gallery dealer gets to exercise some of his or her creativity.
    Collectors are now getting into photography because they can use their taste, their own hunch, their own intuition in what they like, and the prices are accommodating. These collectors previously had to spend thousands and thousands of dollars for a painting. Now they can build a major photography collection for considerably less money, and have more fun doing it.
    There is such a thing as a creative dealer and a creative collector. I see collections that are worth a lot of money, painting and sculptures that aren’t very good collections, and I see collections that are exquisite. The same thing is true of galleries -- some dealers will just sell you anything they can move, and other dealers will balance into your collection.
    There is certainly less risk involved for dealers now than before, in terms of what it costs them to put on a show. Before, shows were critical successes, but the dealer generally lost money. Now, the more dynamic dealers have been able to stimulate their collectors and things have been getting more interesting that way. Consequently, one has the opportunity to show more.
    I have about fifteen one man shows a year around the world, and it is very rare that nothing is acquired by collectors! 


QUESTION #6 DH: If you have ever attempted to exhibit in a gallery, which was not dedicated to photography, (an “art gallery”), what was the response?
ANSWER RG: I’m more interested in showing in fine art galleries than specifically photography galleries because the nature of my concerns within my photographic work is such that, generally speaking, the audience in an art gallery is better prepared to understand what it is that I am doing.


QUESTION #7 DH: Why is that the case?
ANSWER RG: Because the history of art is three thousand years old. Photography essentially deals with a three dimensional reality, portrayed on a two dimensional picture plane. The aesthetics of photography are in their infancy. On the other hand, there are three thousand years of art history and information centered around dealing with the two dimensional picture plane as a concern.


QUESTION #8 DH: Do you perceive an influx in photography, and if you do, please characterize it?
ANSWER RG: Oh, of course, the medium is completely changing. For example: if I were to ask you what was the state of the art in photography at the turn of the last century, that would be easy to answer, if I could say what the most relevant concerns were in the medium in 1900. Now, with an historical perspective, we can answer your question quite clearly.
    What I’m interested in right now, in the middle of all this tremendous activity, is -- I would like to ascertain, what is the sate of the art of photography today? What exactly are the most relevant issues that are being addressed?
    I think that is a very complex and interesting problem, which I give a great deal of thought to, and I feel that, in fact, some issues in photography are more valid to pursue, in terms of this question, than others. I don’t particularly feel, in terms of my own needs, that it is legitimate for me to go over ground that has already been covered.



QUESTION #9 DH: Let’s take it from the standpoint of economy. Has there been an influx in fine art photography, economically?
ANSWER RG: Of course. Well, as you know there has been a tremendous amount of research and technological development that has centered around the refinement of the materials in the medium. We know the fine art aspect of photography is relatively small, compared with the industry. All this technological advancement, at the same time, has turned out to be much to the advantage of the contemporary worker.


QUESTION #10 DH: Do you feel fine art photography, when you began, was an “underground” activity, with only few people involved?
ANSWER RG: Yes, I do, very much so! I feel and remember, as recently as 1969, the major thrust of my exchange had to do with a very small peer group in New York that met regularly. Now, there is a much wider range of social intercourse, shall we say ...?


QUESTION #11 DH: How were you circulating your work at that time?
ANSWER RG: I wasn’t. I worked in the closet for the first twelve years of my career. That forced me to work commercially, which I hated.


QUESTION #12 DH: Has the circulation of your fine art photography made it possible for you to stop doing commercial photography?
ANSWER RG: Yes! I haven’t done any commercial work since the publication of my book, “Somnambulist.”


QUESTION #13 DH: Is there an “established” point of view, opposed to an “avant-garde” point of view in fine art photography, and if you think there is, please characterize it?
ANSWER RG: Well, I think there is an “established” point of view -- however, I don’t think we have an academy.
    I think there is a tremendous amount of discussion going on between the so-called “purist” approach or the documentary image, which is a very objective approach, and the more subjective workers. I think there is somewhat of a dichotomy there, and I think that it’s very, very good that it exists.
    I find that if everyone thought the same about photography, it would be very dull and we couldn’t have the enormous amount of activity that we do have. We do have several different schools. And there are a lot of people who believe that one way is right, and other people who believe another way is right. my personal feelings are that I have a lot of respect for any kind of photography that is difficult to do and is done well. I feel that making a good photograph in any genre ia a considerable undertaking, and I can’t help but respect the results.


QUESTION #14 DH: Do you have anything more you would like to mention? I have no more questions.
ANSWER RG: Well, right now, in my own work, I’m dealing with problems of attempting to rely less on subject matter. I’m trying very hard to bring the picture plane forward, as opposed to creating the three dimensional picture window. I’d like the visual activity to exist between the surface of the print and the viewer, without the illusion of the activity transpiring from the picture plane back. I think, for me, in terms of my own efforts, this is a legitimate concern.








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